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RCast 101: Cleanup in Mauritius, 500K climate-related evacuees in US, on chain med records and organizing. [Climate and Coordination] Aug 28 2020

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Nora Germain 00:07
Okay, great. Well, welcome to the climate and coordination, RCast, everyone. So I’m very excited to share these headlines with you. And I’m sure we’ll get into some other very interesting discussions after that. So this first one comes from Scientific American, putting this in the chat now. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mauritians-launch-rescue-to-save-wildlife-from-oil-spill/ This is just this is a very important story that I hope the world knows about. And I don’t think it’s really being talked about that much. But Scientific American is one of my favorite publications. And I actually learned recently I believe it’s the oldest continuously running magazine in America. I’m not sure if anybody knew that, but I certainly did not know that and I find that to be true. Really, really wonderful. Anyway, here’s the headline: “Mauritians launch rescue to save wildlife from the oil spill.” This is from August 21. This is from last week, but this is still ongoing today. So Mauritius, for those people who don’t know, is a little island, just east of Madagascar, which is east of the continent of Africa. It’s sort of thought of as a pristine sort of vacationing destination. And unfortunately, there’s been a huge oil spill there. There was a Japanese owned ship that unfortunately, ran aground and obviously damaged a bunch of coral reefs, but that was not really the big problem. The big problem was that it sat there for a while and it basically a broke In half or something like it basically started to break apart. And so it’s been leaking tons of oil over the last few weeks. And this story is really goes into the rescue effort of plants and animals. And the cleaning up of the oil, which has been largely done by local volunteers. It says within hours of the leak more than 5000 local volunteers and dozens of career conservationists jumped into action to save their remote nations vibrant, unique wildlife by controlling the oil and moving some species out of harm’s way. And I just love this article because it does a really great job of explaining what these people were doing. Why they needed to move certain plants and animals how they did that. And I think it’s just obviously first It’s a really sad story because hopefully we’ll move into a place that will never have another oil spill ever again. Hopefully that would be great to leave oil spills in the dustbin of history. But I think it’s also a really amazing story about a community of people really banding together to get their hands literally dirty, and to start getting this oil out of the water. And I wish that everyone had this same spirit. Obviously, when it’s happening in your backyard, you kind of might have a different spirit. But I think it really just shows the direction of humanity, really, just getting in there and working together trying to make the best out of this terrible situation, which is really what’s required during the climate crisis, I think, and any environmental disaster. It’s not going to be enough to just speak up about it. At some point, we’re going to have to actually help whether that’s You know, relocating animals to better places or, you know, fighting fires ourselves or, you know, cleaning up oil or just picking up trash. There are lots of climate activists on Twitter that go out to pick up trash every day. And they make a video about it, and they go home. And that’s it. That’s what they do every day. And they’re speech cleanups near where I live in California. I love doing beach cleanups. But anyway, I just thought this was a really inspiring story about how these people are just working so hard to save their beautiful pristine coral reef, you know, environment. And this is a really, you know, traumatic story. And I think I’m just really hoping that we get into an era that we don’t have to have these awful oil spills ever again. So that’s my first That’s the first piece of the day. Has anybody heard about this oil spill at all?

Darryl Neudorf 06:05
Yeah, I heard about the spill I and like, didn’t the ship like bust in half or something like that and

Nora Germain 06:14
something like that. Yes. Something like that.

Darryl Neudorf 06:16
But I didn’t hear about the, you know, the positive response. But I guess it makes sense like, isn’t Mauritius one of those special spots on the planet where there’s all sorts of unique wildlife? Yes,

Nora Germain 06:34
yes, they have a bunch in this article talks about that. They have a bunch of plants and animal species that are native to Mauritius and you really can’t find them anywhere else in the world because Mauritius is already so incredibly remote. I mean, if you look at a world map and type in Mauritius, it’s like literally in the middle of the ocean. So yeah, That’s exactly right.

Darryl Neudorf 07:02
So I’m gonna guess that the people that live there probably have a higher perception and a higher kind of care for the environment that they live in. So it makes sense to me that that there’d be kind of a really positive response of volunteers getting out there to clean things up.

Nora Germain 07:24
Yeah, yeah, no, it just made me really happy to see how much they care and they’re trying really hard. And I mean, the same could probably be said for Hawaii for citizens of Hawaii, but we know that, that the land there the sacred land, is now being you know, developed and that is really bothering a lot of people in Hawaii. In fact, Mark Zuckerberg had a big problem there recently. I’m sure that either you already know about this or you don’t want to but

Darryl Neudorf 08:01
Stop talking. I don’t want to hear.

Nora Germain 08:03

Darryl Neudorf 08:05
Just kidding, just kidding.

Nora Germain 08:07
Um, but yeah, he’s purchased an enormous amount of land and sort of forcing people to sell it because he’s paying so much and, you know, that kind of thing. And it’s really, really difficult for them there for a lot of Native Hawaiian people who, who believe that, um, you know, if you say no to selling your land, the person shouldn’t just be able to offer so much money that they can’t say no, that that should not, you know, be happening. But, um, there is one more story and this is from Forbes. And I actually just saw this last night, because I changed my mind about one of the other stories that I had thought I was going to talk about. And Greg, when I saw this, I thought of you because we’ve been talking about this now, four years, four years so this is very useful. Interesting. This is from August 25. So just a couple days ago, this headline from Forbes says “Over 500,000 Americans had to evacuate this week, climate change might be to blame.” Of course, the headline is a little soft for me. I wish it said something more like climate emergency causes over half a million people to you know, evacuate. But look, at least they’re mentioning it in the headline. Obviously, it’s very much to blame. The reason I said I wanted to bring up this story is because we’ve been talking about climate refugees and how there’s going to be a huge climate refugee crisis in the future, and where all those people are going to go and how we’re going to move our cities inland and you know, just from drought and arid land that you cannot, um, she can’t farm on the more in Just in from heat and just all these different problems. But anyway, this is a really fascinating article. I haven’t really seen an article recently that talks about the numbers of people that have had to evacuate due to climate emergencies in America in a really long time. Usually these types of articles that I’ve looked at over the past several years, well, actually for a lot longer than that, because I studied some of this stuff in college too. And that was about five years ago. But anyway, usually they focus on other nations or the world but this one is unique because it’s focusing on climate related evacuations in America, which I think needs a lot more attention because people don’t realize how big these evacuations are. This is now over a half a million people. And it says here over 385,000 Texans in 200,000. Louisiana residents are under mandatory evacuation orders. Ahead of the it says here, the hurricane Laura, which just turned into a category four storm, which is terrible. And then also in California over 100,000 people had to evacuate. And now we have over 500 separate wildfires in California. And I think last year we peaked at over 600. Of course, the number of fires doesn’t really matter so much as the acres burning, but it looks like we’re having a worse season than last year, which is no surprise because that’s what happens. So I just thought this was a really interesting story, because for anybody who’s interested in evacuations, or you know, just the escalating number of people every year that have to move or have to be temporarily relocated, because of climate disasters is really increasing. And Greg has always talked about this as being a really Difficult coordination issue. And I don’t think this is being talked about really nobody on the news is saying, half a million people in America have had to evacuate people are just saying, Oh, looks like Laura’s gonna be a bad storm. And they’re not really connecting the dots here. This article also talks about the five costliest natural disasters in US history and how they have all occurred within the past 15 years. There’s a lot of really great sources in here. This list includes Katrina, Sandy, Harvey, Maria, and Irma. Katrina being the earliest one in 2005. But all of the other ones occurring then since. And there’s some, you know, their maps here that describe the path of the storm. Then there’s some other articles that are linked here about just where we’re at as a nation, and I think it’s really important that Americans focus on this because in America, I think there’s an idea that we’re kind of, I don’t know, somehow insulated from the climate or the worst of the climate crisis, or I’m not sure why we feel that way. But, you know, we have horrible flooding in Iowa last year that, you know, destroyed a bunch of farms. And it got to be 130 degrees. I believe in Death Valley. And, you know, America is facing the climate crisis. And I think the more that we make that known maybe, hopefully, the better equipped we are to adapt and coordinate. Also, hopefully, we can start dealing with it policy wise, in a more aggressive way.

Darryl Neudorf 13:42
So yeah, I hadn’t seen a perspective about just the number of people displaced from the events over the last week or two. But yeah, that’s a pretty huge number. Yeah, I mean, it’s fortunate that Laura, as it turns out, hasn’t been as damaging as they were warning. It was a hurricane 4 but as soon as it hit landfall it it’s a it was reduced to a hurricane level 2. There’s still a lot of damage that’s done. I was watching some news reports this morning about all the power lines that have gone out but um, you know, fortunately there hasn’t been mass deaths. So that’s good. So it’s just like to me it’s just like I from the from the research that I’ve done and I’ve done a fair amount of research. I think like a good source for climate research is https://www.skepticalscience.com/ You know about that one? I think, you know, not

Nora Germain 14:57
familiar with that one, but I will look it up.

Darryl Neudorf 15:00
Yeah, yeah, it’s good. It does a lot of it’s just a lot of scientific backup to the skeptics. So, you know, if you get, you know, any kind of a counter argument you can go there and probably find some good scientific backup. Another good one on YouTube is “potholer54” https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54 . Mm hmm. I just noticed at the end of this article, there’s the character named Joe Bastardi. Maybe it’s pronounced Joe bastardy, a meteorologist best known for working over 30 years at AccuWeather – outspoken critic of the idea. So you know it, the article ends off with like the counter argument that this is all just outside of the realm of the increased carbon on our planet. Uh huh.

Greg Meredith 16:11
I was hoping to to put in a few words about about this article. I think it’s a really interesting one and interesting perspective. First, I just want to connect it back to RChain. This week on Wednesday, I demonstrated with and it really was in real time while while Darryl was was presenting the Community Week in Review, I cobbled together a page, a DAppy page on RChain that had both a picture of myself and a QR code of my governance REV address. So the governance REV addresses the REV address that Co Op required that us members submit, in order to participate in voting, starting from 2020 onwards. And so now, that resource is on chain, that page that has both a picture of me, and other important, you know, identifying facts about myself, including my REV address. That’s the beginning of an on chain identity notion, which can be used for refugees so that they can overcome all the issues of, you know, not having a jurisdictional based identity, right, they leave one jurisdiction and, you know, maybe their driver’s license in a new jurisdiction isn’t isn’t recognized or they lose access to their identifying documents, which happens quite frequently or they lose credentials and other things. And an on chain basis for identity helps with that. Of course, it also helps the billions of people who are unbanked and don’t have a notion of you know, a bankable notion of identity to begin with. So so these are things that you can now do with RChain and you can do it in minutes. Each individual can do it in minutes.

Steve Ross Talbot 18:25
Does that mean….. Hello Greg…. Can everybody?…. I’m not dead I am here

Greg Meredith 18:31
Good to here. I’ve been wondering, so

Nora Germain 18:35

Darryl Neudorf 18:37
The Notorious SRT in da house.

Steve Ross Talbot 18:39
Yeah, drive down to Brighton today to go and get I’ve got to do some DIY around the house whilst I have time to do it. And I was going to get a kitchen tap. That’s what I was going to do. And as I was driving down the main highway into Brighton, I’ve posted three links into the chat. https://www.xrlosangeles.org/ https://xrbrighton.earth/event/swarm-to-the-rebellion-20200829/ https://www.seattlerebellion.earth/#/ I came across a sign right across the road: “A Planet is Burning!” and then another bridge little while after another one big extinction rebellion banner. So yeah when we look at what’s going on in the world and feel a little bit, you know, disgruntled and ashamed and disappointed and sad and all that there are these people extinction rebellion people that are out there protesting continuously they won’t give up. They’re like the Terminator. They will not give up thank God and so I thought well why don’t I just have a Google around and find out if there’s an extinction rebellion chapter as it were in Seattle and in LA and I found them. The LA one was really interesting because included in a number of events that they are holding. You are in LA, aren’t you?

Nora Germain 19:54
Oh, yes, yes.

Steve Ross Talbot 19:55
Good – cuz that’s why I went to LA I thought what’s there for Nora I haven’t done you yet, Darryl. But you probably know what’s there. So yeah, there’s your very small thing but edible gardens for L.A. families. So if you have edible gardens for families, you actually cut down the amount of plastic waste and increase the nutritional value of the food that people are eating. Oh, sure, yeah, possibly save the soil. And then I had a look at the one for just as you were speaking, Greg, I had to look at the one for Seattle. And that the bit that really hit me in the face was and your notion of having your identity, your digital asset of identity on chain, is the start potentially, of fulfilling the the third purpose of the Seattle chapter, which is to fight for a national citizens assembly, to oversee the changes as part of creating a democracy fit for purpose, quote, unquote, and that’s the Seattle chapter.

Greg Meredith 20:56
Well, that’s awesome. There we go. Again, I think a lot of people are recognizing what needs to be done. And this goes back to Nora’s other point, which is, we ultimately have to get our hands dirty. I was talking with a scientist and activist, I think it was on on Wednesday, who hopefully will be joining our call in the not too distant future. And she was quite interested in bringing scientists together to get their plans done. And making this distinction between solutions that are about direct action such as edible gardens where you have direct action that helps with helps with the situation. And then the sort of one degree removed kinds of solutions, which is what RChain is currently about, right, which is a coordination problem. A lot of these direct actions are going to require coordination. And that’s what RChain is there for is to help with that coordination. And the two are very closely connected, right? So if you want to assemble in an, with an online presence, you’re going to need something like RChain. And that’s, that’s, you know, that’s why it’s there. Is there is to help with that. So, so yeah, I’m glad you brought a unifying theme there, Steve. And I’m just super excited. Right? Because, you know, it’s the thing that I demonstrated, again, I, you know, I think it’s like, it’s one of these things that people, you know, somehow I’m just not very effective at communicating all the implications. But, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s all so very reminiscent of early MySpace, right? It’s like, Hey, you know, here I have here I have the beginnings of a social network, but it’s on chain.

Steve Ross Talbot 23:11
Well, yeah, so here’s the thought feeling. So in the UK, as you know, you know, we had quite a major lockdown. And even now, you know, in these last days of August, and I went to my local railway station to drop my son in law off and the railway station the carpark was pretty empty. I mean, this normally you couldn’t get in that carpark. So people are working from home and a government minister, the Minister for transport, I believe or might be the Minister for business guy called Grant Shapps. He’s not particularly favored person by me. But he said, you know, it’s time for everyone to get back into the offices and most people who Don’t need to go into an office are not going. And not only that the companies that they work for are enabling them to stay where they are. Now that has a major impact on greenhouse emissions. Right. But it also has a rebalancing effect of the economy, so in effect, businesses will move out of cities. So instead of cities being this concentration of oddly enough, a lot of bad, unsustainable crap, what’s happening in the UK, from the ground up, is that people are not going into those cities. So the sandwich bar guy, yeah, his business is going to shut down. So what he’s going to have to consider is moving out of London. But oddly enough, moving out of London is probably a good thing because the house prices are really high. So he’ll do well, if he moves out of London. You know, or the woman that runs a shoe repair shop that’s near all the offices have to be more local. So it’s going to force a readjustment through society, certainly in the UK, hopefully across the globe. And if we can have that change of demographic across your across the landscape so that we rebalance things and London isn’t the heaving mess that it is now. Then, Mike, what will be needed is far more coordination technology for those communities. And it has to be communication and coordination technology that is not owned by any one entity. And that’s why RChain for me, I actually spoke to a guy today he’s the CEO of I think it’s called blocktangle. They’re based out of Germany, his Chinese doctor Tchu, I think it is, and they claim to have scalable, this that and the other. Everyone’s claims it, I haven’t seen anyone defend that proposition apart from us. So he claims huge scale and he, you know, he claims all these areas where it could be used, but the single thing that he doesn’t, well, the single thing, one of the things he doesn’t have that’s a limiting factor is the ownership of his blockchain by having a public blockchain and by seeding a public blockchain from a co-operative just as we’re doing, the issues of centralized ownership disappear.

Greg Meredith 26:42
Oh, it’s so easy. It’s so, so easy to get high scale if you if you if you trust

Steve Ross Talbot 26:49
If you trust ONE! Yes, I can give you hundreds of thousands of transactions a second.

Greg Meredith 26:53
Oh, yeah, that’s well documented. We all know that.

Steve Ross Talbot 26:58
The real key here is is collective ownership because yeah, you’re right. Every community. Yeah, if you imagine the future, you’re where you do move people out of cities into villages and smaller towns and and you have a more holistic approach to life in those towns and so that commuting is not the dominant factor it is today, then people will take more care of where they live. Right. And if people take care of where they live, they will be making decisions locally that has an impact globally. But to coordinate that you need a technology that’s trusted and all the rest of it not owned by any corporate body, because the danger is the corporate body will shut you down because they don’t want the decentralization.

Greg Meredith 27:50
You’re absolutely right. And this model works across many different sectors. I think I’ve mentioned on this call, but it bears mentioning again, one of the things that I thought about over a decade ago is how medicine and society would be transformed. If we simply brought back the house call it this this was all this was all triggered in my mind because my, my son, who was four at the time, got his thumb smashed in the door happens to every kid eventually. Right? And, and my partner at the time was just, you know, she was nervous. She wasn’t a native English speaker. So she decided to take him to the emergency room after the insurance paid, we still had a 1500 dollar bill.

Nora Germain 28:50
Yeah, I mean, that’s that’s situation, you know.

Greg Meredith 28:54
Looking at that, and it was just like, if I didn’t laugh, I would have just been furious. Right well

Nora Germain 28:59
Have to laugh to avoid crying sometimes.

Greg Meredith 29:02
Because it was just so ridiculous. But anyway, I and I realized that the situation is they need to justify all of the expensive equipment and everything else. Right. And, and and so they, they have to charge these ridiculous rates for procedures that, you know, like, you know, 30 years ago, the doctor would have handed my son a lollipop and said, Yep, it hurts. See ya in a bit. You know, I mean, that would that would have been the, that would have been the the solution or the cure. And, and, and so that, but but imagine now, if the doctor has to do house calls, there is no room in the vehicle that the doctor is going to practically drive for a lot of expensive equipment, that’s all going to be cut down. Right. So immediately, a whole bunch of non essential procedures are cut just because of the constraints of the house call format. Right? Also, now you don’t have millions of people driving to the hospital, you have one doctor driving to each home. So that also fits in with environment. And then, you know, if the doctor has to serve neighborhoods that are unsafe, or have other unsavory components to them, you can bet that the doctor will will speak with a very loud voice advocating that those neighborhoods receive appropriate attention from the other cultural institutions. So that will also and the doctor will bring back vital information about those neighborhoods for you know, epidemiological results, etc. So the point is that shifting from centralized to decentralized also has all these other knock on effects, and you’re right. It was then requires the coordination technology to facilitate all of that.

Steve Ross Talbot 31:05
Hmmm. medicine’s an interesting case I think, in terms of you know, can decentralization work and can can this notion of collective ownership rather than centralized ownership work? here in the UK is well known for its NHS which we protect fiercely despite the current government, probably wanting to privatize it all. But if you can have a situation where medicine is freely available at the point of need, and it is paid out of general taxation, so we all own it, and that you have coordination technology. That is, you’re not biased towards any one pharma company, or any large state entity but collectively owned by these towns right? Then you can effectively manage a large Health Network, just like the NHS. And just as you said, I mean, unfortunately, one of the cuts that our government did was to get rid of the house visit. And that’s been one of the biggest mistakes. There’s been many, but that’s one of the biggest ones throughout the lifetime of the NHS. And the NHS really when you think about it, when you think about not just medicine, because the NHS about medicine, you know, you have a car you need tended to, it doesn’t deal with social and elderly care, but it needs to, and one of the challenges to the NHS has been more and more old people end up dying in hospital. They don’t die in their own bed, even. So the hospitals use and as a as an extension to social care for the elderly. And so it’s actually misused and it turns out that when the NHS was created at the end of the war, The thought process was if we have an NHS, suddenly everyone will get much more healthy. And actually, you know, the demand will top out. But of course, what happened is, yeah, they did get more healthy. And unfortunately, they lived longer. And there’s no getting away from the fact that at some point you’ll die. Right? So it’s very success, and the lack of focus on care for the elderly has been the Achilles heel to the NHS. But if you move everything to communities to more localized stuff, you know, Sweden, do a great job and Denmark do a great job of positioning care homes next to primary schools. It’s a brilliant idea. The kids go in and the old people in the home read to them. So it really builds a sense of community and lineage in those communities and makes them stronger. But the missing link for all of this is to act collectively. For that we need, we need RChain.

Greg Meredith 34:08
That’s where the “R”, the “our” in RChain comes in. That’s what it’s about. Absolutely.

Nora Germain 34:15
Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, my mom, well, she started a violin school when I was a baby. And I grew up, you know, in this violin school? Well, I mean, I grew up and I went to regular school too. But after that, I went to her school. And we would do concerts in the nursing home all the time, like a group of us would go and we’d perform, and they actually had a theater in this nursing home. So it was a very nice place. And we would go and we would perform there. And I did it probably, you know, 20 or 30 times over the course of my childhood. I remember it being a very wonderful experience because they were so happy to see us They were such an easy audience to please. And, you know, I really enjoyed that. Because seems like they really appreciated that we were there, you know?

Darryl Neudorf 35:14
It’s nice.

Nora Germain 35:15
Yes, it was nice. Yeah. I hope they still do that. I should ask her if they I’m sure they still do that.

Darryl Neudorf 35:26
So I have a question about a more practical perhaps question that kind of thinking out loud about how Dappy and RCat could potentially connect. In the context of perhaps a say a music streaming social network. So like if I had a music streaming social network that I wanted to make sure that artists who are independent they own their own compositions and recordings and they want to upload that data via RCat I guess like RCat would be the way for them to catalog the information about what it is that they own with their creations and then be able to kind of create their own page ala more like MySpace than Facebook where they have their you know, their own kind of domain within the network. Is this something that that that RCat and Dappy together could take care of?

Steve Ross Talbot 36:46
It could potentially I mean it, you know, you and I’ve had many chats about RSong… REVolution as we like to call it these days but you and I, Darryl, but to do it, if you were going to be successful in gaining market share, because at the end of the day, so it’s about getting musicians on the platform. So to get musicians on the platform, even if we got a fairly boring codec, right? But but not a crack codec, it’s got to be good enough, to get musicians on the platform, from the consumers perspective, you need a single place to go to play your music. So you need that app on your phone. Right? So I can confirm completely that it’s entirely possible for instance, to take RCat in its embodiment within RSong within the software that is there and, and but do a pass through to a Spotify account. Right so I could listen to all my Spotify stuff and anything on RChain. Right? So that’s a key enabler, because only then will you get enough momentum to have the social network take off.

Darryl Neudorf 38:15
So you’re saying that the DApp would be one stop shop you would have, you’d be able to play. You’d be able to stream through through the REVolution system, but you would also connect to some kind of like a Spotify player. Yeah.

Steve Ross Talbot 38:39
Yeah, you’re not a player you connect through to your you, it would it would authenticate you against Spotify Darryl, this new player would authenticate even though it’s an old chain, and someone would authenticate you through Spotify and enable you to see all your playlists and all the music that you have on Spotify today. Okay. In a new app, your app the RChain app, right? But so that means that you don’t have to switch players. I see So, so then you could imagine implementing a search feature above it that searched for music on RChain, and Spotify. Right? So the reason why that’s also important is from the musician’s perspective, a musician is not going to give up on Spotify, all the while it has this huge market share. So the way to take Spotify out the picture is very gradually bit like, you’re when you cook a lobster, one of the ways you can cook a lobster is you do it, put it in a pot of cold water and, and the heat rises and it kind of goes to sleep and then gets cooked and dies, obviously. Alas, but if you like lobster, maybe not. But yeah, the point being is that it’s very gradual. So musicians if they knew there was a platform that can incorporate all of this Spotify stuff that they’ve got around now today. Right? They could leave that there. And their user base could still listen to that. But now listen to the new tracks they’ve decided to put onto onto RSong, the REVolution platform, because they get a better rate of return.

Greg Meredith 40:19
And in particular, in particular, the search can organize things. So the, you know, an artists can say, Well, I really prefer the like, if I have a version on RChain and the version on Spotify, please list the version on RChain first, because my rate of return on RChain is much higher.

Steve Ross Talbot 40:41
Yes, indeed. And then from a social media perspective, if you and I were chatting about a song, and we said, Oh, that song, maybe we’re on a zoom call, we should send we should send a message to Nora and to Greg about this song. It’s really cool. They should hear this, and it could be a Spotify one, or it could be one on RChain doesn’t Matter, either way, we have a resource that names the soul wherever they are. And we can send that on our social media platform. And if Greg and Nora have the same app, they could just click on that thing, and then they could hear it too.

Greg Meredith 41:14
And once again, you know, talking about boiling lobster. If it turns out that Spotify has constraints, restrictions on how players may represent their data, so, for example, you’re not allowed to share links in a chat. You know, whatever those restrictions might be, but that that’s, that’s when it’s really important. Then Spotify becomes less useful and less interesting to users, because it’s what users want to do with music, in addition to listening to it is to share it in state, right, so so all of the social features and the music services have been very slow in implementing the real social services that people want, right? People want to be able to share playlists. They want to be able to share songs. They want to be able to send a song as a gift, not send a gift, gift certificate, send a specific song because it’s specifically appropriate to that relationship at that time. All of those things, the music services have been very slow to implement, because it disenfranchises them from their users.

Darryl Neudorf 42:26
It’s on purpose. It interferes with this model that they’ve grown up with, so they can’t mutate from the idea that they must be the curators.

Greg Meredith 42:27
Right. And so this is what this is where the this is where again, RChain comes into focus, right? So people will begin to prefer it because they can do the things that they wanted to do all along.

Steve Ross Talbot 42:57
And I don’t know if you remember, but back in the those early days Nora, I know you were more involved in it than Darryl was with me at least, and I came up with this idea we should do this silent disco app. I remember talking about it to you and to Ned.

Nora Germain 43:11
Oh, yeah. Well, now with COVID, that would be even more important.

Steve Ross Talbot 43:14
Well, you know what? We should have done it then. Because on in May of this year, Spotify just launched it. They’ve got what’s called a sync option for multiple users to listen simultaneously, as if you were in a silent disco.

Nora Germain 43:37
I’m so sorry. Would you like me to send flowers?

Steve Ross Talbot 43:41
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. I still think you know, we’ve got the design for it. And now that Spotify have that, then we know that we can do it. Yeah, we can do it by using some of Spotify as API’s. And there’s a separate app called MixLR, which is a Spotify

Nora Germain 44:00
I remember that you showed me that. Yeah.

Steve Ross Talbot 44:02
Right. So that’s the one that does the silent disco.

Greg Meredith 44:10
Oh, sorry. I thought I was muted. I was telling Fiber to sit.

Nora Germain 44:16
We really don’t have very much time left about a minute. I’m I maybe we could continue this discussion next week. Is this a possible place to leave it off?

Steve Ross Talbot 44:25
Yeah. What can I ask for a subject to be launched, which is I would really like to have a discussion about music and its role in climate coordination and climate change.

Nora Germain 44:39
Well, since you asked, I take requests written neatly on the back of hundred dollar bills. And so if you just send one, I would be very happy. No, I’m just kidding.

Steve Ross Talbot 44:51
Well, I will go to my Monopoly board and I should take out one of those notes.

Nora Germain 44:56
No, but look, that was a great that’s a great idea to discuss so I’m gonna write that down. And we can try to come up with some points on that next week. And I think Darryl might have a guest for us lined up next week as well. So we’ll see about that. And, and and, Steve, I’ll write down your suggestion. And thank you all for joining us this week, please subscribe to RChain on YouTube. You can join RChain as a member at RChain Co Op. And if you have any suggestions of topics or if you would like to be guests, please email us at climate at our chain Co Op. Thank you all so much for a wonderful discussion.

Ciao Ciao

Steve Ross Talbot 45:37
take care guys,

Darryl Neudorf 45:38
You too Steve. Bye.